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Title: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 03, 2012, 07:23:59 PM
MDI,

   I started with 999 lock picks and have been aggressively playing since the beginning of the game.  I have played in 3 different safe houses (small, medium, and large) and gotten 644 map pieces to date.  And when a crypt is opened, I scavange almost exclusively to try to get the vehicle, weapons and other prizes. Yet after 467 lock picks used (532 left) I haven't found the vehicle.  Is this a glitch or is it really THAT hard to find?

  Thanks

-Warp
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Anvar on November 03, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
It's either random or first in, WD. I'm currently trying to find out. Either way, you've been unlucky and are most likely a statistical outlier in this issue.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Rebuck Nasty on November 04, 2012, 09:28:41 AM
Over the past few days, I haven't seen anyone in the safe house get the vehicle on the payout screen. Is it not even an option anymore? I'm at 105 locked rooms with no vehicle.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Janimaltheanimal on November 04, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
I am pretty sure you are not a "statistical outlier", or a liar in any other way. We have had the same issue at the Hungry Tiger, over the course of the weekend not one of our lockpick rooms has dropped an item. Frustrating too, as we are *trying* to work a strategy that revolves around the mission actually working right. I'm sure we are not the only house being affected by this glitch.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 04, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
Up to 532 now with no vehicle.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Anvar on November 05, 2012, 12:07:30 AM
Whoa, that stinks, WD. And no one else in your SH getting the drops?
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: rbuck12 on November 05, 2012, 07:02:57 AM
The same thing has happened to me. Not scavenging locked rooms 467 times, but I have a lot. I recieved the gun and armor the second day and have not recieved the car yet. Maybe a glitch? In AP I have not seen one of the 3 (armor, weapon, car) drop in a long time.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Noraf on November 05, 2012, 08:34:55 AM
I think everyone in my SH has gotten the vehicle, except for 1 (maybe 2) he's done tons of crypts and just isn't finding it despite everyone else getting it. He's even opened crypts by himself in off hours to where he's almost exclusively raiding them and still hasn't found it. Personally, I found it in the very first locked room in the first crypt.  :P Also, a few of our members found all 3 items in a single crypt run. But then again, we're kind of "crypt experts" at the cemetery. WD, if you want to come by and try your luck at Hollinwood you're more than welcome!  ;D
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Areksoo on November 05, 2012, 09:03:14 AM
I found now over 1000 pieces with around 300-350 locked doors and I'm still short a car too.

I do see others (though rarely) get the car.  They are almost always people with very low piece counts, so I suspect they have opened very little locked doors. 
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Kyrri on November 05, 2012, 10:19:30 AM
Sorry to say it, but you're having a serious bout of bad luck. We've extensively tested all the crypt drops and consistently get all of them without issue. Good luck!
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Areksoo on November 05, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
Sorry to say it, but you're having a serious bout of bad luck. We've extensively tested all the crypt drops and consistently get all of them without issue. Good luck!

But have you tested where everyone has the 3 items except one person who is only missing the item?  This is the case for many that are missing the car.

Can you post more details on the logic of how the prizes are rewarded?  I get rooms where there are just supplies and cash (equal amount  of dots each) with no white dots.  I suspect this happens because I won the gun or armour, but already have it.  So the locked room has no prize.  These searches also don't show up on the display of prizes awarded.  I've had this happen to me a good 20 or so times... so by this logic, I have gotten the weapon and armour 10 times each, but still no car?

Can somebody check my account to make sure that it's set right?  In that, I can get the car instead of a locked room with no white dots. 
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: The Wolfman on November 05, 2012, 10:59:24 AM
.... No offense, but I believe you to be a liar. I have a hard time believing that as many people as I have seen in house and on GC talking about how they can't get one item of another (mostly the vehicle), I have a hard time believing that ALL of those people are just having really bad luck. It's possible that there is a flaw somewhere in here that you aren't seeing.  If there are multiple forum topics on it in multiple areas, including the knowledge that few of us post in the forums and are just the  few voicing their concerns here, I don't see how it's not possible that their might be a bug.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Kyrri on November 05, 2012, 11:05:45 AM
Yes, we've tested that scenario. As far as I'm aware the logic works, but there is a chance if several people already have the vehicle in a crypt scavenge then it may not seem to appear, but each player still always has the 1/30 chance of finding it no matter how many people already have the item. If you already have it, you cannot find it again, but they could still potentially get the room that originally had the vehicle. It's all luck of the draw.

Did I say there's no bug? It's always a possibility.

We are looking into the issue because it does seem a bit suspicious but this is the best answer I can give at the moment until we do or do not find an issue.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Areksoo on November 05, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
Yes, we've tested that scenario. As far as I'm aware the logic works, but there is a chance if several people already have the vehicle in a crypt scavenge then it may not seem to appear, but each player still always has the 1/30 chance of finding it no matter how many people already have the item. If you already have it, you cannot find it again, but they could still potentially get the room that originally had the vehicle. It's all luck of the draw.

Did I say there's no bug? It's always a possibility.

We are looking into the issue because it does seem a bit suspicious but this is the best answer I can give at the moment until we do or do not find an issue.

So what happens if someone gets a room where they already have the item?  Does it give out a separate prize or does it do what I think it does (relatively equal amounts of cash and supplies with no white dots)? 

Also if the odds truely are 1/30, then after 300 rooms, the odds of me not getting a car is 1/26K...  350 rooms?  1/142K.  I'm somewhere between these odds.  This goes well beyond bad luck.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Kyrri on November 05, 2012, 11:47:44 AM
It's possible but very very unlikely. And as far as I'm aware you just get a seemingly blank room; so you're right, just supplies/cash. I'm pretty sure that's how it works but I could be wrong and in that case I apologize.

For that issue, yes it's incredibly unlikely but possible, but the fact that you aren't the only one is a little bit too odd. We think something might be up but we're not sure what yet, so I'll get back to you on that one when we know. It's actually a priority right now so hopefully I'll be able to give you guys some solid answers instead of just wild speculation sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience and squidgey answers. =S
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 05, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
I guess with 500+ crypt rooms an no vehicle I am the most unlucky person around!  As I said earlier- I've done this with all different size safe houses and some just by myself. I think it is a glitch- because even a 1/30 chance I would have gotten the vehicle almost 20 times.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 05, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
Hi Everyone

I've cross posted this on a couple threads about this issue. We've dug into the data and can offer the following details:

- every crypt has the potential to award the vehicle, weapon and the armour.
- a survivor cannot win any of these items more than once.
- when a locked room with a special event item is scavenged by a survivor that already has that item, no item is awarded.
- each crypt is an independent trial, there is no weighting or preference given to who gets what room.

So, if you have 7 people hitting the locked rooms in a crypt and 6 have vehicles, for example, that one survivor needs to get lucky twice by a) picking the room with the vehicle and b) finding that room before it's been grabbed by another survivor who already has the vehicle.

Hope this information helps. Happy looting.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: RachaelP on November 05, 2012, 04:09:12 PM
Same SH - no car. Haven't opened near as many as Warp, but I take screenshots of a lot of crypts. Haven't seen it in a couple days.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 05, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
Cassentra- yesterday my two kids and I opened a crypt and got all 30 lock picks rooms. None of us have the car. And no one got it. Thoughts?  Just the three of us in the safe house.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 05, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
That's very interesting, WarpDrive. Can you please post or PM me the other two user names and the safehouse name? I'll ask the devs to investigate.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Areksoo on November 05, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
Hi Everyone

I've cross posted this on a couple threads about this issue. We've dug into the data and can offer the following details:

- every crypt has the potential to award the vehicle, weapon and the armour.
- a survivor cannot win any of these items more than once.
- when a locked room with a special event item is scavenged by a survivor that already has that item, no item is awarded.
- each crypt is an independent trial, there is no weighting or preference given to who gets what room.

So, if you have 7 people hitting the locked rooms in a crypt and 6 have vehicles, for example, that one survivor needs to get lucky twice by a) picking the room with the vehicle and b) finding that room before it's been grabbed by another survivor who already has the vehicle.

Hope this information helps. Happy looting.

From an odds point of view, you don't have to be "lucky twice".  When others pick a lock, it doesn't decrease the odds that you can get a car... it reduces the number of chances at getting a car and this is only assuming you can unlock all doors yourself.  Think about it like this: 

If somebody gets the car, then sure your odds are now 0/29 for the rest of the crypt.  But if they didn't get the car, then your odds are now better for you at 1/29.  0/29 will happen 1/30 crypts, 1/29 will happen 29/30 crypts.  Add up the odds and you are back at 1/30 odds.

This is why I strongly feel there's something within the coding that says I am not eligible for the car.  The only way to prove this is if I do a crypt with no time limit, so I can unlock all the doors myself.  Which I would do if given the chance.  Hint hint.  I'll even collect all the pieces myself. 

Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 05, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
Federation Headquarters. Number One. Silverstar1. Sunday morning.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 05, 2012, 06:04:26 PM
Thanks, WarpDrive. I've passed this to the devs for review.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Furyo on November 05, 2012, 09:30:47 PM
Just to add to this, it seems that the people in my house that did get the car got it in the first two days. Since then the rest of us that don't have it have been clearing crypts where none of us have the car and no one has gotten one. It has been about 4 days since anyone in the house has gotten a car again. I've had crypts where I've done 12 scavenges and nothing besides the usuals; cash, supplies, stims, drinks and pills.

Furyo
Lego Factory
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Alyssa77 on November 06, 2012, 07:32:51 AM
WH is having only players looking for car scavenge in crypt and still no car all last evening we even took a player looking for car brought to a empty sh let her do every scavenge in multiple crypts and yet no car. After hours and hours of this I find it hard to believe she has yet to get her car and that there is no glitch. We have tried all scenarios in trying to get her or anyone the car and as of yesterday no one has gotten one in WH
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: The Wolfman on November 06, 2012, 07:46:10 AM
Myself and two house mates have left our main house to form a new one. Between the three of us who all need something, we have hit multiple crypts now and hit every room and still have nothing.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Scotch Bender on November 06, 2012, 09:43:59 AM
I'm in the same boat. No car yet. I haven't kept track of my scavenges, but there's been a ton.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: The Wolfman on November 06, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Ok. Update: we now filled it with everyone who needs the vehicle. Got every room, still no vehicle for anyone. Definite bug.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: The Wolfman on November 06, 2012, 11:17:42 AM
Also, I have SS's and a mod in the house to back me up now for whatever that is worth. Lol.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: ThomasJames on November 06, 2012, 11:19:54 AM
To add on to what wolfman is saying what are the odds that I "win" a room with one of the items(I have the armor and gun) and not get the car 3 times in one crypt?
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 06, 2012, 11:20:14 AM
Thanks for the reports, everyone. This has all been passed to the devs for a review. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 06, 2012, 12:50:56 PM
Thanks for looking into it. Now at 603 lock pick crypt rooms searched and no car.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Demon666 on November 06, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
So to summarize: if a person who already has all 3 items scavenged a room that has only supplies and/or cash then it's likely they've just scav blocked the chance for some1 who doesn't have an item to get it. Right?
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: The Wolfman on November 06, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Incorrect. To correctly summarize, right now there is nothing you can do to get the items. The items are a myth. They currently do not exist. It is a bug and MDI is working on it.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: zombiemax1 on November 06, 2012, 04:16:51 PM
same exact situation here :(
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Subliminal Kid on November 06, 2012, 06:05:55 PM
Same issue here with the armor. SH with only players that are missing the armor, yet zero drops.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: KofiC on November 06, 2012, 08:06:31 PM
Same problem for me and many of the Blues, for the record. We've also tried different houses and only sending players without the car into crypts and having them scavenge all locked doors - still nothing. I also keep getting the rooms with only cash/supplies.
At one point it told me I'd scavenged the car, then nothing showed up in my arsenal. Is it possible the game thinks I already have the car and that's why it won't let me scavenge it again?

Cheers,
K
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Tenda Foot on November 06, 2012, 08:59:03 PM
Pugg and warp I think MDI isn't giving you the vehicle because they checked your driving record and know the insurance cost will bankrupt the game.  ;D ??? :o ::) ;)
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 06, 2012, 10:53:10 PM
614 thru this post. Back to a small safe house with three members each with no car. Three crypts today and no vehicle although my daughter did get the armour! 

Tenda-
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: madkatz on November 07, 2012, 11:49:39 AM
I'm having the same problem with the vehicle. I've gone through not as many lock picks as that, but its a good 100 of them. :'(
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 07, 2012, 02:26:57 PM
We're actively working on this one, guys. Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Zhi on November 07, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
It'd be nice if you extended the deadline for this event. I've been trying to scavenge the vehicle for days and haven't even had a chance to hunt for the Flaming Gourdian weapon yet.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 07, 2012, 05:55:44 PM
Thanks for looking into this! 
On a side note- opened another crypt at federation headquarters with my two kids and BOOM, my son got the car!  I told him that MDI knew it was his birthday and so they gave him a present! 
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 07, 2012, 06:10:38 PM
WarpDrive, I hope he didn't rub it in too much? Talk about birthday luck. :)

Also, we've fixed the empty rooms and made sure all locked rooms in each crypt are stocked up with all items. Good luck with your looting, guys.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: WarpDrive on November 07, 2012, 07:42:08 PM
628!  Got it!!  Thanks!  You guys rock!!
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Itcus on November 07, 2012, 08:03:54 PM
Now can you fix crypts that have 25 zeds but won't allow you to hunt?
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Areksoo on November 07, 2012, 08:35:48 PM
I got the car! I got the car! I got the car! I got the car! I got the car! I got the car!
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Cassentra on November 07, 2012, 09:36:47 PM
Areksoo, WarpDrive: Congrats!  8)

Itcus, a fix was already pushed out for the "no zombies" message in the crypt. What time did you see this?
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Furyo on November 08, 2012, 05:45:11 AM
The fix worked. I just hopped back in after taking a break this afternoon when the rooms were empty and I got the car in the first crypt, first room I opened. Thanks devs.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Noraf on November 08, 2012, 07:33:41 AM
Both members of my SH who hadn't gotten the car managed to get it last night & this morning.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: Blaze84 on November 08, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
We got the 'no zombies' error last night around midnight (central time).  This was for Alcatraz.

On topic, I've noticed people in our SH getting the car again starting last night!
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: MDI_Kyrri on November 08, 2012, 10:27:32 AM
Great! Glad it's finally working out =D
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: zombiemax1 on November 08, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
wow great news!  Hopefully i'll pick up mine soon as well.
Title: Re: 467 lock picks and no vehicle?
Post by: The Wolfman on November 09, 2012, 10:24:59 AM
Happy to report: most of the undead members of RA have managed to finally get the car that they would neither be caught dead or undead in IRL. lol.